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This paper is an attempt of locate John Berry 1 (son of Robert), John Berry 2 who was born in 1815 in North Carolina and died in Rusk County Texas, and John Berry 3 the father of Elizabeth Berry by Hannah Berry.

John Berry 1 -Son: source of information was Robert Berry's will written in 1812
John Berry 2 -born 1815 in NC: source 1850 Texas Census, 36/37 markers DNA test
John Berry 3 -father of Elizabeth Berry: source Temperance Franklin's bible page
John Berry 4 -died 1804 : source Georgia INTESTATE RECORDS by Jeannette Holland Auston
John Berry 5 -father of the architect; source 1790 Orange County census- not known if he is relative of Robert Berry
John Berry 6 -the architect: 1850 Orange County census

This page also deals with the marriage of two daughters of William and Elizabeth Cate and two sons of Robert and Elizabeth Cates Berry.

William Berry married Hannah Cate on August 12, 1799. On August 11, 1800 Thomas Berry married Sarah Cate. Both of these marriages took place in Orange County N.C. Sometime around 1803 William Cate died, Surviving were his Wife Elizabeth & five children, Benjamin Cate , John Cate, Hannah Berry, Sarah Berry, & Charity Cate. Almost all of the Robert Berry family bought items at this sale.(see CATE PROPERTY SALE button:)

In the 1800 Orange County census William and Hannah Cate Berry list one male under 10 years old. They had at least one more son Thomas Person Berry who was born in 1807. I have no record of any children born to them between 1799 and 1807. This is odd that so much time would pass with no new babys.

Thomas and Sarah Cate Berry had two children, a son David and a daughter Eleanor .

Between 1807 and 1810 something happened to the marriage of William and Hannah. There are two facts that support this.

FACT 1: In the 1810 Orange County N.C. census Hannah Berry listed as head of household next door to Robert Berry.
FACT 2: Hannah Berry and John Berry 3 had a daughter named Elizabeth Berry who was born in 1812.

I think Hannah Berry and two of her children (Elizabeth by John Berry 3 and Thomas Person Berry by William) moved in with Henry Berry after Robert Berry died in 1814. Hannah and William Berry's oldest son would have been 15 years old at that time and may have been living with his father or his mother. I do not know the name of William and Hannah Berry's oldest son .

Thomas Person Berry signed the wedding bond for Theodoric Franklin and Elizabeth Berry in 1832. Temperance Jane Franklin was the oldest daughter of Theodric and Elizabeth . Temperance named Hannah Berry and John Berry 3 as her Grandmother and Grandfather in her bible. We do not know if this John Berry 3 is the son of Robert Berry or not. My thinking at this time is that John Berry 3 who had a child by Hannah Berry was not the son of Robert but most likely a grandson.

Elizabeth Franklin was staying with Thomas Person Berry at the time the 1860 census was taken. This was after her husband and her Mother both died in 1858. There was a worldwide flu epidemic in that year.

In the 1810 Orange County census Hannah listed 4 boys under the age of ten, one girl under the age of 15 and two females over 26 and under 45 years old (1765 -1784). Hannah was born in 1770 determined by the 1850 census. It was suggested by Descendants of the Thomas Berry Family in Tennessee that the 1810 enumeration was composed of Hannah, her sister Sarah, and their children. I am inclined to agree with this. After Thomas died Sarah married John Pigg in 1815 and died 60 years later in Wayne County Tennessee on May 7 1875.

Robert Berry wrote a will in 1812 and in this will he stated that Thomas and John 1 were both deceased. William was apparently not deceased at this time. However I do not know where William was after 1806/07 .

If Elizabeth Berry's father was John Berry 1 (the son of Robert) he had to be alive as late as 1811
This would mean that John 1 had died between 1811 and 1812. We have never found a record of a marriage between John Berry 3 and Hannah Berry. Or of John Berry 1 and anybody. As a matter of fact I had not known that Thomas Person Berry had a half sister until I made Contact on the Internet with Liz Merkle who is a descendant of Theodric and Elizabeth Berry Franklin.

After looking at all the facts about John Berry 1 (son of Robert) I now think that John Berry 4 who married Martha Collier and died about 1804 in Georgia leaving five orphan children was probably the son of Robert. Their children s names were Joshua, Robert, Polly, Betsie, and William. (reference Georgia Intestate Records by Jennette Holland Auston 1986 publication). The fact of the identical names of Robert Berry's children and the care of the estate and the orphans by Benjamin Camp and William Cates indicates a close connection to Robert Berry from Orange County N.C . At the very least this John Berry 4 had to be related to Robert Berry in Orange County N.C. if he is not his son. No marriage record has been found for Mary Berry Camp, Robert Berry Jr. or John Berry 1. I think the reason for this is that marriage records were not being kept at the time these three children of Robert got married.

Marry Berry Camp removed to Georgia around 1781.
John Berry 4 died in Georgia about 1804 and something happened to Martha Collier Berry about the same time making their five children orphans.

For a long time I thought that John Berry 1 (son of Robert) was either too young to get married of one of the older children that got married before marriage records were being kept.

Two conditions of Robert Berry's will are met if this John Berry 4 (from Georgia) is his son.
1. He was dead by 1812 when the Robert's will was written
2. A Slave was left to John's 1 Heirs (not Heir) John Berry 4 (from Georgia) had five children

If John Berry 1 and John Berry 4 are the same person then he was not John Berry 3 who was the father of Elizabeth Berry by Hannah Berry

At the William Cate estate sale in 1803 many of the Robert Berry family bought items.
John 1, Henry, David or Issac did not buy anything.
Robert Sr, Robert, Thomas, William, and Joshua did. David was married and living in Orange county at the time. David and John 1 were not present at the sale or did not buy anything. Henry and Issac were both single.

Thomas Berry (son of Robert) is supposed to have died in Tennessee (Probably Williamson County) and was reportedly killed by the Indians while searching for available land in that state. This information comes from the Thomas Berry descendants in Tennessee. According to them this is folklore that has been passed down in his family.

If it was Sarah and her children who were living with Hannah in 1810 there is a possibility that John Berry 1 may have been killed by the Indians at the same time Thomas was. This is only for speculation. I doubt that this is what happened.

In the will of Robert Berry (1812) he left one slave to both Thomas and John Berry’s 1 heirs.

Robert only left one pound to William. This could mean that William had moved out of the state. I say this because
Mary Berry Kemp/Camp's heirs who had lived in Georgia also received one pound as her inheritance. Another possibility is that William may have been out of his father’s favor at the time he wrote his will. In the will written in 1812 by Robert Berry he stated that Thomas, John 1, and Mary were deceased. He said nothing of William being deceased.

I do not believe that Hannah ever married again but in 1850 she was living with Henry Berry who was a brother to Thomas, John, and William. Hannah died in 1858 and the cause of death was probably the worldwide flu epidemic. She had a grandson William H. Berry (son of Thomas Person Berry) to also die that year. William H. Berry was only 22 years old when he died. He had just married Sarah Francis King (daughter of Thomas and Mary Polly King) in 1857. Lewis Berry who was a cousin to Thomas Person Berry also died in that same year in Orange County N.C.

Henry Berry died about 1855. He left some household goods and some livestock to Hannah Berry but did not mention her as his wife or leave any property to her. Henry left the house that he was living in to Thomas and Mary (Polly) King in his will. I speculate That Mary (Polly) Ashley King was related to the Berry family in some way. I now think Polly Ashley may have been related to Hannah Cate Berry. There was a Franky Ashley that bought a bed at the 1803 William Cate estate sale.You may view the will that Henry wrote on his personal page.

It is most likely that William left the state and married again. He never listed in Orange County North Carolina
after 1800. Since William was listed between 16 and 26 years old in the 1800 census he would been no older than
36 years old in 1810..

A DNA test in 2004 has connected John Berry 2 who was (born in N.C. in 1815 and moved to Rusk County Texas) to the Robert Berry family.

In 2005, A DNA test has also connected a descendant of David Berry to the Robert Berry family.

In order to try to establish who John Berry's 2 (born in 1815) parents were, it would be necessary to check the 1820 Orange County Census. John Berry 2 would have only been 5 years old in 1820.

In the 1820 Orange County N.C.census there were 5 male children under 10 years old listed.

Robert Berry had 2------Both boys still unknown as of 2/18/2005 **This is not Robert Berry Jr. he was too young

Roda Berry had 1------------ John Berry 6 the Architect whose father John Berry 5 had died before 1800

Henry Berry had 1-----------Unknown male as of 2/18/2005. Could Henry and Hannah or John Berry 3 and Hannah have had this child?

Joshua Berry-------------------- did not have any males under 10 years old listed

Isaac Berry ---------------------may have been mentally incapable of the responsibality of marriage.

If William Berry remarried, he and his new wife could have had a son born in 1815 but would have been living in another State or County.

It is also possible that Hannah Berry had moved in with Henry Berry between 1810 & 1820. John Berry 3 who was the father of Elizabeth could have had a son by Hannah also, or Henry and Hannah could have had a son. In Henry's will in 1855 he made no mention of a wife or any children.

William and Hannah Berry's son that was born in 1799 would have been 16 years old in 1815 and could possibly been married at that age but not likely.

Theodoric Franklin and Elizabeth Berry (daughter of Hannah Berry and John Berry 3) were married in 1832.

Theodoric Franklin born Jan 12 1812 Person County N.C. died, Sept 1858 Calcasiee La.

Elizabeth Berry Franklin b 1812 Orange County N.C. died Nov. 21, 1895 in Brown County Texas

Henry Berry Franklin b Oct 6 1835 in Alabama ****Henry Berry was likely the only father that Elizabeth ever knew

Thomas Benjamin Franklin b Feb 8 1847 Cave Springs Floyd County Ga.
Died Feb 9 1934 Keene, Johnston Texas *** grandmother had a brother Benjamin Cate
***grandmothers brother in law was Thomas Berry

Georgianna Franklin b 1849 Floyd CO. Ga.****** could have been named for grandmother Hannah (Anna), I can
imagine Elizabeth saying this is my little Georgia Hannah ?

From the dates of birth of the first two Franklin children listed above and where they were born it is obvious that the Franklin's migrated from Orange County N.C. to Alabama between 1832 and 1835.
John Berry 2(1815) would have been somewhere between 17 and 20 years old at that time.

Since John Berry 2 (1815) married a girl from Alabama in 1840 and Theodric and Elizabeth Berry Franklin had a son born in Alabama in 1835, it is possible that John 2 (1815) migrated to Alabama with Theodoric and Elizabeth Berry Franklin.
This would have especially been likely if he was a half brother to Elizabeth Berry Franklin.

David Berry and his family had removed from Orange County N.C. to Georgia about 10 years earlier in the 1820’s
probably around 1822 but John 2 (1815) would have only been 7 years old at that time and would have most likely have
remained with his parents.

So at this time all we know about John Berry 2 (1815) prior to 1835 is that he was born in North Carolina and is related
to the Robert Berry family in Orange County NC which has been proved by a 36/37 marker DNA. test.